Discussion:
The FSF pleaded itself right out of court
(too old to reply)
Rjack
2009-03-03 12:00:56 UTC
Permalink
The SFLC stated in their FSF v. Cisco Complaint that:

"47. Plaintiff is also entitled to injunctive relief pursuant to 17
U.S.C. § 502 and to an order impounding any and all infringing
materials pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 503. Plaintiff has no adequate
remedy at law for Defendant’s wrongful conduct because, among other
things, (a) Plaintiff’s copyrights are unique and valuable assets
whose market value is impossible to assess, (b) Defendant’s
infringement harms Plaintiff such that Plaintiff could not be made
whole by any monetary award, and (c) Defendant’s wrongful conduct,
and the resulting damage to Plaintiff, is continuing."

The Supreme Court has explictly ruled that Article III
Constitutional standing requires that an "injury in fact" occur that
is not "conjectural or hypothetical":

"Over the years, our cases have established that the irreducible
constitutional minimum of standing contains three elements: First,
the plaintiff must have suffered an "injury in fact" — an invasion
of a legally protected interest which is (a) concrete and
particularized, see id., at 756; Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 508
(1975); Sierra Club v. Morton, 405 U.S. 727, 740-741, n. 16 (1972);
[n.1] and (b) "actual or imminent, not `conjectural' or
`hypothetical,' " Whitmore, supra, at 155 (quoting Los Angeles v.
Lyons, 461 U.S. 95, 102 (1983))"; Lujan v. Defenders of Wildlife,
504 U.S. 555 (1992).

The SFLC pleading is of moronic proportions:

"Plaintiff’s copyrights are unique and valuable assets
whose market value is impossible to assess".

Now that's a real "concrete and particularized" injury that is not
"conjectural or hypothetical" isn't it?

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Doug Mentohl
2009-03-03 13:05:25 UTC
Permalink
They still own the copyright ...

"This is an action by The Free Software Foundation, Inc., a nonprofit
corporation organized under the laws of the State of Massachusetts
(“Plaintiff”) by and through its attorneys, the Software Freedom Law
Center, Inc., to recover damages arising from infringement of its
copyrights by Cisco Systems, Inc."


"Plaintiff is, and at all relevant times has been, the copyright holder
under United States copyright law in the Programs. 45. Defendant’s
distribution of its Infringing Products and Firmware without approval or
authorization by Plaintiff infringes Plaintiff’s exclusive copyrights in
the Programs pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 501."

http://www.fsf.org/licensing/complaint-2008-12-11.pdf
Alexander Terekhov
2009-03-03 13:47:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Doug Mentohl
They still own the copyright ...
"This is an action by The Free Software Foundation, Inc., a nonprofit
corporation organized under the laws of the State of Massachusetts
(“Plaintiff”) by and through its attorneys, the Software Freedom Law
Center, Inc., to recover damages arising from infringement of its
copyrights by Cisco Systems, Inc."
"Plaintiff is, and at all relevant times has been, the copyright holder
under United States copyright law in the Programs. 45. Defendant’s
distribution of its Infringing Products and Firmware without approval or
authorization by Plaintiff infringes Plaintiff’s exclusive copyrights in
the Programs pursuant to 17 U.S.C. § 501."
http://www.fsf.org/licensing/complaint-2008-12-11.pdf
These are allegations from the FSF/SFLC, not the court's holdings.

The court won't have a chance to state its disagreements with the
FSF/SFLC view on facts and/or legal conclusions because the FSF/SFLC
will voluntary dismiss the case just like all previous GPL cases in
nysd.uscourts.gov.

regards,
alexander.
--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 14:08:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
the FSF/SFLC
will voluntary dismiss the case just like all previous GPL cases
Whereupon we will see Cisco making the GPLed sources properly
available, just like in all previous GPL cases.
Rjack
2009-03-03 14:39:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hyman Rosen
the FSF/SFLC will voluntary dismiss the case just like all
previous GPL cases
Whereupon we will see Cisco making the GPLed sources properly
available, just like in all previous GPL cases.
Whereas the SFLC will pay Cisco some fat, handsome fees to host some
GPL'd source code on Cisco's servers. I'm sure Cisco will appreciate
the fees in the current slowing business environment. Same as in
other SFLC suits (except Verizon, who told 'em to kiss their royal
purple ass).

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 16:15:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
Whereas the SFLC will pay Cisco some fat, handsome fees
In the depths of your febrile imagination, where do you
imagine this money originates? What is a handsome fee to
a company like Cisco or Verizon? You show true desperation
in the face of your obvious incorrectness.
Rjack
2009-03-03 16:51:40 UTC
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Post by Rjack
Whereas the SFLC will pay Cisco some fat, handsome fees
In the depths of your febrile imagination, where do you imagine
this money originates?
The same place where *your* imagined settlement agreements come
from. Look in the mirror moron.
What is a handsome fee to a company like Cisco or Verizon? You
show true desperation in the face of your obvious incorrectness.
Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 16:59:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
*your* imagined settlement agreements
In my case, it is easily determined from historical web
searches that the various defendants were for a time
distributing GPLed software without meeting the GPL's
requirements, and after the suits ended they are now
complying with the GPL.
Alexander Terekhov
2009-03-03 17:48:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hyman Rosen
Post by Rjack
*your* imagined settlement agreements
In my case, it is easily determined from historical web
searches that the various defendants were for a time
distributing GPLed software without meeting the GPL's
requirements, and after the suits ended they are now
complying with the GPL.
Verizon's distribution page

http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp

is utterly non-compliant, see e.g.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/732/kw/WG302v2/r_id/166

for an example of compliant distribution page.

------
WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3


WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3
North America (N.A.) & World Wide (W.W.) Releases

Published Nov 16, 2007

New Features

WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK support for Wireless Bridging and Repeating
Dynamic VLAN support – VLAN assignment to wireless clients based on
Radius server settings ( RFC 2868)
Configurable Management VLAN
Bug Fixes

Fixed: Station list does not display the associated wireless client's IP
when DHCP server is enabled.
Fixed: WEP is not supported with 802.1X.
Fixed: Cannot connect WG302v2 with WPA2-PSK only Security
Fixed: User-Name from the Accept-Accept packet is not used in accounting
(usage monitoring) Acct-Req (recommendation from RFC2865)
Fixed: Accounting records are missing a few entries
Fixed: Setting the channel policy to accept best policy mode via SNMP
Fixed: WPA station and group key rotation causes stations to disconnet.
Known Issues

Rouge AP detection may take a while to find all rouge APs.
HTTP re-direct works only with DHCP server enabled.

To Upgrade

Choose the download for your country, saving to a convenient place such
as your desktop.
DO NOT open or unzip this file, just right-click and save it.
For North America

5.39 MB

For Outside North America

5.39 MB

Log in to your access point.
Search the Management menu section, and click Upgrade Firmware to
display the screen.
Click Browse and select the file you just downloaded.
Click Upgrade to start upgrading. This takes several minutes.

Do NOT interrupt the upgrade process until it is done.



This product includes software code developed by third parties,
including software code subject to the GNU General Public License
("GPL") or GNU Lesser General Public License ("LGPL"). As applicable,
the terms of the GPL and LGPL, and information on obtaining access to
the GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product, are available to you at
NETGEAR's Open Source Code Web page
<http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/open_src.asp>. The GPL Code
and LGPL Code used in this product is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY
and is subject to the copyrights of one or more authors. For details,
see the GPL Code and LGPL Code for this product and the terms of the GPL
and LGPL.
------

regards,
alexander.
--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 18:45:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Verizon's distribution page
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
is utterly non-compliant
The URL for doing the download refers to "actiontec gateway",
which despite your claims of it being the name of the device
does not appear visibly on the page. As well, this is not a
page for general software distribution but a place for people
who have the Verzion FiOS router to get firmware upgrades.
Those people have already received a Verizon-branded manual
<http://support.actiontec.com/doc_files/MI424WR_Rev._E_User_Manual_20.8.0_v3.pdf>
which discusses the GPL and an accompanying free software disk
which most likely tell them where to go for upgraded sources,
which are available on the manufacturer's web site.

You would like to hold Verizon to a stricter set of requirements
than the rights holders do, but only so you can claim that they
are deliberately violating them, but that won't work. All the
GPLed sources are made properly available by the manufacturer,
and people who receive the routers are informed of their rights
under the GPL by Verizon. And all of this came about through the
actions of the SFLC.
Alexander Terekhov
2009-03-03 19:17:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Verizon's distribution page
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
is utterly non-compliant
[... Hyman's blathering ...]

Follow the link below to see an example of the GPL compliant firmware
distribution page.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/732/kw/WG302v2/r_id/166

------
WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3

[...]

To Upgrade

Choose the download for your country, saving to a convenient place such
as your desktop.

DO NOT open or unzip this file, just right-click and save it.
For North America

5.39 MB

For Outside North America

5.39 MB

[...]

This product includes software code developed by third parties,
including software code subject to the GNU General Public License
("GPL") or GNU Lesser General Public License ("LGPL"). As applicable,
the terms of the GPL and LGPL, and information on obtaining access to
the GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product, are available to you at
NETGEAR's Open Source Code Web page
<http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/open_src.asp>. The GPL Code
and LGPL Code used in this product is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY
and is subject to the copyrights of one or more authors. For details,
see the GPL Code and LGPL Code for this product and the terms of the GPL
and LGPL.
------

regards,
alexander.
--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 19:51:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Follow the link below to see an example of the GPL compliant firmware
distribution page.
There are many ways to be GPL-compliant. Verizon has chosen
to ship a manual which mentions the GPL and an accompanying
disk which elaborates. Their firmware upgrade page is just
that, for people who already have the router and therefore
have already been informed of their GPL rights.
Rjack
2009-03-03 18:19:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
*your* imagined settlement agreements
In my case, it is easily determined from historical web searches
that the various defendants were for a time distributing GPLed
software without meeting the GPL's requirements, and after the
suits ended they are now complying with the GPL.
Stop changing the subject Hyman. You win a lawsuit when the court
awards you the relief requested. THE SFLC has NEVER, NEVER requested
that GPL source code be posted *anywhere* in *any* filing in federal
court. The SFLC has tried seven times in federal court and failed
seven times to secure a favorable ruling on the relief it requested:

* Super Micro Computer, Inc. - voluntary dismissal no settlement
* agreement

* Bell Microproducts, Inc. - voluntary dismissal no settlement
* agreement

* Extreme Networks, Inc. - voluntary dismissal no settlement
* agreement

* Monsoon Multimedia, Inc. - voluntary dismissal no settlement
* agreement

* Xterasys Corporation - voluntary dismissal no settlement
* agreement

* High-Antennas, L.L.C. - voluntary dismissal no settlement
* agreement

* Verizon Communications, Inc. - voluntary dismissal WITH PREJUDICE
* no settlement agreement

GNUtians never lose -- they just moooooooove the goalposts.

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Doug Mentohl
2009-03-03 18:32:55 UTC
Permalink
* Super Micro Computer, Inc. ..
That's the BusyBox case, where they complied and released the source code ..
* Bell Microproducts ..
The BusyBox case again ..
* Extreme Networks
The BusyBox case again ..
* Monsoon Multimedia, Inc. - voluntary dismissal no settlement
The BusyBox case again ..
* Xterasys Corporation
The BusyBox case again ..
* High-Antennas
The BusyBox case again ..
* Verizon Communications, Inc. - voluntary dismissal WITH PREJUDICE
Busybox ..

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2008/mar/17/busybox-verizon/
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 18:40:40 UTC
Permalink
You win a lawsuit when the court awards you the relief requested.
Lawsuits are brought in an attempt to compel another party
to comply with your wishes. The externally visible results
of a compliance action is compliance. In each case brought
by the SFLC, the defendants chose to comply with the GPL.

When the other party acquiesces to your demands, you have
won. Courts award relief only if the case makes it to the
end of a trial. The SFLC's cases are so strong that none
of the defendants choose to do that.
Rjack
2009-03-03 19:11:16 UTC
Permalink
You win a lawsuit when the court awards you the relief
requested.
Lawsuits are brought in an attempt to compel another party to
comply with your wishes. The externally visible results of a
compliance action is compliance. In each case brought by the
SFLC, the defendants chose to comply with the GPL.
When the other party acquiesces to your demands, you have won.
Courts award relief only if the case makes it to the end of a
trial. The SFLC's cases are so strong that none of the defendants
choose to do that.
What demands Hyman?

Ooooohhhh!!!

I'll bet you mean the ones in the lawsuit (since that's what we're
talking about) where it says PRAYER FOR RELIEF.

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 19:29:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
What demands Hyman?
To cease infringing upon the copyrights of the rights
holders, of course.
Rjack
2009-03-03 19:42:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
What demands Hyman?
To cease infringing upon the copyrights of the rights holders, of
course.
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/dec/07/busybox/verizon.pdf
Bad case of dyslexia Hyman? Myopia? Poor reading comprehension?

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 19:56:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/dec/07/busybox/verizon.pdf
Bad case of dyslexia Hyman? Myopia? Poor reading comprehension?
It says exactly what I said. BusyBox binaries were being distributed
without sources, therefore the distributors had no license to do so,
and the SFLC demanded that they cease distribution. This is exactly
what everyone has said that a GPL case would consist of. What exactly
is your problem here?

After the case was brought, the parties settled and the plaintiffs
now comply with the GPL.
Rjack
2009-03-03 20:05:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hyman Rosen
Post by Rjack
http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/2007/dec/07/busybox/verizon.pdf
Bad case of dyslexia Hyman? Myopia? Poor reading
comprehension?
It says exactly what I said. BusyBox binaries were being
distributed without sources, therefore the distributors had no
license to do so, and the SFLC demanded that they cease
distribution. This is exactly what everyone has said that a GPL
case would consist of. What exactly is your problem here?
After the case was brought, the parties settled and the
plaintiffs now comply with the GPL.
You need more help than I can offer Hyman. Have you ever tried
Haloperidol?

They're coming to take you away, HA HA
They're coming to take you away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And you'll be happy to see
Those nice, young men
In their clean, white coats
And they're coming to take you away, Ha-haaa


Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 20:09:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rjack
You need more help than I can offer
You have nothing to offer but error.
Alexander Terekhov
2009-03-03 19:16:36 UTC
Permalink
Hyman Rosen wrote:
[...]
Post by Hyman Rosen
of a compliance action is compliance. In each case brought
by the SFLC, the defendants chose to comply with the GPL.
Verizon still doesn't comply with the GPL.

http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp

Follow the link below to see an example of the GPL compliant firmware
distribution page.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/732/kw/WG302v2/r_id/166

------
WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3

[...]

To Upgrade

Choose the download for your country, saving to a convenient place such
as your desktop.

DO NOT open or unzip this file, just right-click and save it.
For North America

5.39 MB

For Outside North America

5.39 MB

[...]

This product includes software code developed by third parties,
including software code subject to the GNU General Public License
("GPL") or GNU Lesser General Public License ("LGPL"). As applicable,
the terms of the GPL and LGPL, and information on obtaining access to
the GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product, are available to you at
NETGEAR's Open Source Code Web page
<http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/open_src.asp>. The GPL Code
and LGPL Code used in this product is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY
and is subject to the copyrights of one or more authors. For details,
see the GPL Code and LGPL Code for this product and the terms of the GPL
and LGPL.
------

regards,
alexander.
--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 19:51:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Follow the link below to see an example of the GPL compliant firmware
distribution page.
There are many ways to be GPL-compliant. Verizon has chosen
to ship a manual which mentions the GPL and an accompanying
disk which elaborates. Their firmware upgrade page is just
that, for people who already have the router and therefore
have already been informed of their GPL rights.
Rjack
2009-03-03 19:27:06 UTC
Permalink
You win a lawsuit when the court awards you the relief
requested.
Lawsuits are brought in an attempt to compel another party to
comply with your wishes. The externally visible results of a
compliance action is compliance. In each case brought by the
SFLC, the defendants chose to comply with the GPL.
Hyman is becoming so delusional he thinks *his* wishes comprise the
wishes the SFLC enumerated in *their* lawsuit. Go to doctor Hyman.
When the other party acquiesces to your demands, you have won.
Courts award relief only if the case makes it to the end of a
trial. The SFLC's cases are so strong that none of the defendants
choose to do that.
Verizon never acquiesced to a single demand in the SFLC lawsuit.
Hyman is losing contact with reality. Go to doctor Hyman.

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Doug Mentohl
2009-03-03 18:17:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
These are allegations from the FSF/SFLC, not the court's holdings.
Then show the court ruling in that particular case ..
Post by Alexander Terekhov
The court won't have a chance to state its disagreements with the FSF/SFLC view on facts and/or legal conclusions because the FSF/SFLC will voluntary dismiss the case just like all previous GPL cases in nysd.uscourts.gov.
Produce any citations where the defendants didn't comply with the GPL
after such voluntary dismissal.
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 14:04:31 UTC
Permalink
And has the court in fact dismissed the case?
Somehow I don't think so.
Rjack
2009-03-03 14:31:20 UTC
Permalink
And has the court in fact dismissed the case? Somehow I don't
think so.
Ah. . . just think of "SFLC" and "voluntary dismissal"
as hashing to the same bucket.

Steps in an SFLC suit:

1) File frivolous federal lawsuit without legal standing to be heard.

2) Announce the suit with great fanfare for maximum propaganda
effect on self-serving free software parrot blogs.

3) File voluntary dismissal assuring the GPL will NEVER, NEVER be
tested in federal court through any action of the SFLC.

4) Announce non-verifiable "settlement" on self-serving free
software parrot blogs.

5) Spin. Spin. Spin. Attempt to leave the impression the GPL has won
in court.

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 16:13:02 UTC
Permalink
6) The GPLed source code in question is made available by
the defendants.
Alexander Terekhov
2009-03-03 17:54:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hyman Rosen
6) The GPLed source code in question is made available by
the defendants.
Verizon's distribution page

http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp

is utterly non-compliant, see e.g.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/732/kw/WG302v2/r_id/166

for an example of compliant distribution page.

------
WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3


WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3
North America (N.A.) & World Wide (W.W.) Releases

Published Nov 16, 2007

New Features

WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK support for Wireless Bridging and Repeating
Dynamic VLAN support – VLAN assignment to wireless clients based on
Radius server settings ( RFC 2868)
Configurable Management VLAN
Bug Fixes

Fixed: Station list does not display the associated wireless client's IP
when DHCP server is enabled.
Fixed: WEP is not supported with 802.1X.
Fixed: Cannot connect WG302v2 with WPA2-PSK only Security
Fixed: User-Name from the Accept-Accept packet is not used in accounting
(usage monitoring) Acct-Req (recommendation from RFC2865)
Fixed: Accounting records are missing a few entries
Fixed: Setting the channel policy to accept best policy mode via SNMP
Fixed: WPA station and group key rotation causes stations to disconnet.
Known Issues

Rouge AP detection may take a while to find all rouge APs.
HTTP re-direct works only with DHCP server enabled.

To Upgrade

Choose the download for your country, saving to a convenient place such
as your desktop.
DO NOT open or unzip this file, just right-click and save it.
For North America

5.39 MB

For Outside North America

5.39 MB

Log in to your access point.
Search the Management menu section, and click Upgrade Firmware to
display the screen.
Click Browse and select the file you just downloaded.
Click Upgrade to start upgrading. This takes several minutes.

Do NOT interrupt the upgrade process until it is done.



This product includes software code developed by third parties,
including software code subject to the GNU General Public License
("GPL") or GNU Lesser General Public License ("LGPL"). As applicable,
the terms of the GPL and LGPL, and information on obtaining access to
the GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product, are available to you at
NETGEAR's Open Source Code Web page
<http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/open_src.asp>. The GPL Code
and LGPL Code used in this product is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY
and is subject to the copyrights of one or more authors. For details,
see the GPL Code and LGPL Code for this product and the terms of the GPL
and LGPL.
------

regards,
alexander.
--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 18:45:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Verizon's distribution page
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
is utterly non-compliant
The URL for doing the download refers to "actiontec gateway",
which despite your claims of it being the name of the device
does not appear visibly on the page. As well, this is not a
page for general software distribution but a place for people
who have the Verzion FiOS router to get firmware upgrades.
Those people have already received a Verizon-branded manual
<http://support.actiontec.com/doc_files/MI424WR_Rev._E_User_Manual_20.8.0_v3.pdf>
which discusses the GPL and an accompanying free software disk
which most likely tell them where to go for upgraded sources,
which are available on the manufacturer's web site.

You would like to hold Verizon to a stricter set of requirements
than the rights holders do, but only so you can claim that they
are deliberately violating them, but that won't work. All the
GPLed sources are made properly available by the manufacturer,
and people who receive the routers are informed of their rights
under the GPL by Verizon. And all of this came about through the
actions of the SFLC.
Alexander Terekhov
2009-03-03 19:18:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Verizon's distribution page
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
is utterly non-compliant
[... Hyman's blathering ...]

Follow the link below to see an example of the GPL compliant firmware
distribution page.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/732/kw/WG302v2/r_id/166

------
WG302v2 Firmware Version 5.2.3

[...]

To Upgrade

Choose the download for your country, saving to a convenient place such
as your desktop.

DO NOT open or unzip this file, just right-click and save it.
For North America

5.39 MB

For Outside North America

5.39 MB

[...]

This product includes software code developed by third parties,
including software code subject to the GNU General Public License
("GPL") or GNU Lesser General Public License ("LGPL"). As applicable,
the terms of the GPL and LGPL, and information on obtaining access to
the GPL Code and LGPL Code used in this product, are available to you at
NETGEAR's Open Source Code Web page
<http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/open_src.asp>. The GPL Code
and LGPL Code used in this product is distributed WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY
and is subject to the copyrights of one or more authors. For details,
see the GPL Code and LGPL Code for this product and the terms of the GPL
and LGPL.
------

regards,
alexander.
--
http://gng.z505.com/index.htm
(GNG is a derecursive recursive derecursion which pwns GNU since it can
be infinitely looped as GNGNGNGNG...NGNGNG... and can be said backwards
too, whereas GNU cannot.)
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 19:52:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Alexander Terekhov
Follow the link below to see an example of the GPL compliant firmware
distribution page.
There are many ways to be GPL-compliant. Verizon has chosen
to ship a manual which mentions the GPL and an accompanying
disk which elaborates. Their firmware upgrade page is just
that, for people who already have the router and therefore
have already been informed of their GPL rights.
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 18:16:11 UTC
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Post by Alexander Terekhov
Verizon's distribution page
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
is utterly non-compliant
The URL for doing the download refers to "actiontec gateway",
which despite your claims of it being the name of the device
does not appear visibly on the page. As well, this is not a
page for general software distribution but a place for people
who have the Verzion FiOS router to get firmware upgrades.
Those people have already received a Verizon-branded manual
<http://support.actiontec.com/doc_files/MI424WR_Rev._E_User_Manual_20.8.0_v3.pdf>
which discusses the GPL and an accompanying free software disk
which most likely tell them where to go for upgraded sources,
which are available on the manufacturer's web site.

You would like to hold Verizon to a stricter set of requirements
than the rights holders do, but only so you can claim that they
are deliberately violating them, but that won't work. All the
GPLed sources are made properly available by the manufacturer,
and people who receive the routers are informed of their rights
under the GPL by Verizon. And all of this came about through the
actions of the SFLC.
Hyman Rosen
2009-03-03 18:14:57 UTC
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Post by Alexander Terekhov
Verizon's distribution page
http://www2.verizon.net/micro/actiontec/actiontec.asp
is utterly non-compliant
The URL for doing the download refers to "actiontec gateway",
which despite your claims of it being the name of the device
does not appear visibly on the page. As well, this is not a
page for general software distribution but a place for people
who have the Verzion FiOS router to get firmware upgrades.
Those people have already received a Verizon-branded manual
<http://support.actiontec.com/doc_files/MI424WR_Rev._E_User_Manual_20.8.0_v3.pdf>
which discusses the GPL and an accompanying free software disk
which most likely tell them where to go for upgraded sources,
which are available on the manufacturer's web site.

You would like to hold Verizon to a stricter set of requirements
than the rights holders do, but only so you can claim that they
are deliberately violating them, but that won't work. All the
GPLed sources are made properly available by the manufacturer,
and people who receive the routers are informed of their rights
under the GPL by Verizon. And all of this came about through the
actions of the SFLC.

Rjack
2009-03-04 10:55:37 UTC
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"Plaintiff’s copyrights are unique and valuable assets whose
market value is impossible to assess".
Now that's a real "concrete and particularized" injury that is
not "conjectural or hypothetical" isn't it?
ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
I have it upon good authority that the Free Software Foundation is
modifying the GPL to read:

13. Each time you redistribute the Program (or any work based on the
Program), the recipient automatically receives a voluntary dismissal
from any United States federal court action initiated against them
concerning the rights granted under this license.

Sincerely,
Rjack :)
Elvey
2009-03-04 15:47:23 UTC
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<A truckload of nonsense>
I clicked on his name while viewing this thread and what do I find?
"This account has been banned because it violated the Google Groups
Terms Of Use."
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